Was JMW Turner's mother really 'mentally ill'? | Letter

A recent documentary on JMW Turner, the renowned British artist, sparked a heated debate about his mother's mental health. The notion that she suffered from "mental illness" has been widely accepted by many, but a closer examination of the facts raises serious questions about this diagnosis.

When Turner's mother passed away at just 29 years old, he was in his late 20s and preparing for his first public exhibition. Her death came as he was on the cusp of a major career milestone, leaving behind only her husband and son to deal with the aftermath. It is now widely acknowledged that her husband and son were not poor, contrary to what has been claimed.

The decision to send Turner's mother to Bethlem Lunatic Asylum, a facility for paupers, seems more like a deliberate attempt to rid themselves of her rather than a genuine concern for her well-being. The fact that this asylum was run by someone who had a close connection with Turner and even mentored him as an artist adds another layer of complexity to the story.

Without a clear and impartial doctor's diagnosis, it is impossible to determine whether Turner's mother truly suffered from mental illness or if she was simply difficult to get along with. The lack of concrete evidence means that we should approach this narrative with caution.

It is essential for those celebrating Turner's legacy to consider a more nuanced perspective on his family life and the circumstances surrounding his mother's death. A closer examination of the available evidence, including a recent article published by Hektoen International, "Dr Monro, Mr Turner, and His Mother", could help us gain a deeper understanding of this pivotal moment in Turner's life.

As Helen James so astutely points out, we should not take things at face value when it comes to historical figures like Turner. By encouraging readers to read beyond the surface level and consider alternative perspectives, we can work towards a more accurate and balanced understanding of their lives and legacies.
 
๐Ÿ“š๐Ÿ’ก I've been thinking about this documentary on JMW Turner and his mum's mental health... it just doesn't add up, ya know? The way they're just saying she had 'mental illness' without any proof is sketchy at best ๐Ÿค”. I mean, her husband was actually quite well off and there are some weird connections between the people involved in her life and the art world... like what's really going on here? ๐Ÿ’ธ

I love that Helen James is calling out for a more nuanced look at Turner's family life - we need to be careful not to just take what we're told, especially when it comes to historical figures ๐Ÿ“–. I've been reading about this stuff and I feel like there are some major gaps in the narrative that need to be filled... can't wait to dive deeper into the evidence! ๐Ÿ’ก
 
idk about this doco on Turner... seems 2 me like they're tryna stir up drama bout his mum's mental health lol. i mean wut r the real facts? her hubby & son were def not poor like ppl claim they were. it just dont add up 2 me that she was sent 2 Bethlem Lunatic Asylum for no good reason ๐Ÿค”. and thats weird 2 think that the guy who mentored Turner was also runnin' the asylum! sounds like a pretty sus plot ๐Ÿ“. cant we jus stick 2 the facts & not make assumptions about ppl's mental health?
 
๐Ÿค” I'm low-key obsessed with this docu on JMW Turner's mom ๐Ÿ“บ. The thing that really got me is how much we don't actually know about her mental health ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ. It's like, we're so quick to accept this narrative just because it's what everyone else is saying ๐Ÿ’ฌ, but what if it's not entirely true? ๐Ÿค”

I mean, think about it, Turner was a genius artist and his mom died when he was on the cusp of something big ๐Ÿ’ฅ. And now we're saying she might have been crazy? ๐Ÿคฏ That doesn't add up to me ๐Ÿ“. And can we talk about how they sent her to that asylum for paupers? ๐Ÿšซ That just seems like a pretty convenient way to get rid of her ๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™€๏ธ.

I feel like we need to dig deeper into this story and consider all the facts before we start making assumptions ๐Ÿ’ก. We should be careful not to take things at face value when it comes to historical figures like Turner ๐Ÿ˜’. Let's try to get a more nuanced understanding of his family life and see if that changes our perspective on him ๐Ÿค“.
 
I'm totally intrigued by this new doc about JMW Turner... ๐Ÿค” The way they portray his mom's mental health is so problematic โ€“ it feels like they're just trying to fit her into a box without really exploring the situation. I mean, who was it that decided she needed to be locked up in an asylum? It sounds super suspicious.

I also think we need to consider that maybe her husband and son weren't as poor as everyone claims. If that's true, then why did they send her away? And what about this doc's connection to Turner โ€“ wasn't he like a mentor or something? That raises so many questions... ๐Ÿค

It's crazy how we're just taking things at face value without questioning them. We need to dig deeper and see if there's more to the story than what's being presented. Maybe we'll find out that the narrative is way more complex than we thought, and that Turner's legacy isn't as straightforward as it seems... ๐Ÿ“š
 
omg i cant believe how unfair it is to turners mum ๐Ÿ˜ฑ she sounds like she was basically pushed into a mental asylum by her own family ๐Ÿคฏ its so crazy that people are just accepting this narrative without thinking about it anymore idk wut to do but think we need to dig deeper & get the real tea on whats going on here ๐Ÿต๐Ÿ’ก i feel like turner himself would wanna know if his mum was really treated unfairly in life ๐Ÿ’”
 
๐Ÿค” I'm kinda surprised that we're even having this conversation about JMW Turner's mom...like, isn't her story already pretty well-known? But I guess there's always more to learn, right? ๐Ÿ“š The thing is, I don't know if I completely buy into the whole "mental illness" thing. Without solid proof, it feels like we're just speculating about someone who's been dead for over 200 years... ๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™‚๏ธ And yeah, let's not forget that her husband and son were actually pretty wealthy, which makes me wonder if there was more to the story than meets the eye. ๐Ÿ’ธ Maybe we should be looking into why she ended up in that asylum? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ
 
I think this whole situation is a great reminder that we shouldn't be so quick to judge someone based on old news ๐Ÿ˜Š. I mean, imagine being in Turner's shoes - his mother passes away at 29, he's just about to make it big as an artist... and then you get hit with the label of having a "mentally ill" mom without anyone really knowing what was going on ๐Ÿ’”. It's like, let's not be so hasty to assume someone's mental state based on hearsay or outdated info, right? We need to dig deeper and consider all the factors before we start passing judgment ๐Ÿค”. And that's a lesson I think we can all take away from this situation - be more thoughtful in your criticism, and try to see things from multiple perspectives ๐ŸŒˆ.
 
๐Ÿค”๐ŸŽจ๐Ÿ˜ฌ I'm so over these art legends being judged by our own biases ๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™‚๏ธ! Like, can't we just get to know the person behind the brushstrokes? ๐Ÿ–Œ๏ธ Turner's mom might've been a handful, but is that really enough reason to label her with a mental illness diagnosis? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ I need more context ๐Ÿ˜’. And what about the whole 'she was sent to an asylum' thing? ๐Ÿšซ That just smells like a cover-up to me ๐Ÿ‘€. We should be digging deeper ๐Ÿ”, not accepting everything at face value ๐Ÿ’ฏ. Time for some nuance ๐Ÿค and empathy ๐Ÿค— in our art history books ๐Ÿ“š!
 
๐Ÿค” The whole thing about JMW Turner's mum is super suspicious ๐Ÿšจ. I mean, think about it - she dies at 29, leaves behind a family that isn't exactly struggling financially, and then they send her to an asylum run by someone who was basically like a dad figure to him? That's some pretty convenient (and concerning) circumstance to me ๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™‚๏ธ. We need to dig deeper into the story, not just take things at face value ๐Ÿ‘€. And what about all these articles saying she had mental illness? Isn't that just a fancy way of saying "we don't want her around anymore"? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ This whole thing is making me think we should be more careful about how we celebrate historical figures and their families - maybe we're glossing over some pretty shady stuff ๐Ÿ˜•.
 
I'm telling ya, I remember reading about JMW Turner in school and always thought he was this super talented artist who just happened to be born into a good family ๐Ÿค“. But now that I think about it, all these new revelations are making me wonder... was his whole life just one big setup? ๐Ÿ˜

I mean, his mom gets sent to some asylum at 29 and everyone's all like she had mental illness, but what if that's not even true? ๐Ÿค” What if she was just a strong-willed woman who couldn't handle the drama of her family? And then there's this whole thing with Dr Monro mentoring Turner... it's like, did he know more than we think? ๐Ÿค

I'm all for trying to get a better understanding of history, but sometimes I feel like we're just making excuses for our heroes rather than looking at the actual facts. ๐Ÿ“š We need to keep digging and asking questions until we get the truth, you know? ๐Ÿ’ก
 
๐Ÿค” people often talk about JMW Turner's mother like she was just crazy or something. but what if that's not even close to true? I mean, think about it - his mom passes away at 29, leaving behind her husband and son who are actually pretty well off. then they send her to this asylum run by a guy who kinda mentored Turner himself... it don't add up ๐Ÿค‘ also, we shouldnt be so quick to take things as true just cuz its in a documentary or somethin. lets try 2 look deeper & consider other sides of the story ๐Ÿ‘€
 
๐Ÿค” I'm just saying, if you're gonna bring up mental health issues in JMW Turner's family history, at least have some solid facts to back it up, you know? All this talk about his mom being sent to an asylum without any concrete evidence is pretty sketchy. It feels like people are just jumping to conclusions and not even bothering to look into the full story. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ What's next, gonna claim he was a total genius because of some supposed "tortured artist" label? No thanks. Let's focus on getting the facts straight before we start spinning some fictional narrative. ๐Ÿ’ก
 
Wow ๐Ÿคฏ this is so interesting ๐Ÿ˜ฎ! The whole thing with Turner's mom being sent to an asylum is super shady ๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™‚๏ธ and I think we need to dig deeper into what really went down ๐Ÿ’ก
 
I'm so intrigued by this docu about JMW Turner ๐Ÿค”. I mean, who knew his mom was sent away to an asylum without a proper diagnosis? It raises some serious questions about the system back then and how it affected vulnerable people. The fact that the person in charge of her care had a connection with Turner himself is just wild ๐Ÿ’ฅ. We need more nuanced stories like this to learn from history. I love that Helen James is calling out for us to dig deeper and not take things at face value โ€“ it's so important for our understanding of the past ๐Ÿ“š.
 
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